I'm gonna make a video about this and have my own thoughts of course, but I thought I'd gauge what everyone else thinks and put it in the video. If you don't want your response in the video, just say so, but you can of course still share your thoughts.
Also, I know the NSFL stuff is the very obvious answer, but I've seen people find lost media to be creepy regardless of the content so I'm more interested in that side of things. Although I'm open to any theory for this phenomenon.
for me, it's the thought that at one point, it wasn't lost. for example, with something like the demon lady commercials (or any lost commercial/tv show), they obviously weren't lost when they were on the air. to know that someone could have seen it and acknowledged it then, and now it's nowhere to be found, is what makes it creepy for me.
the same thing applies to defunct stores. like, whenever i see an abandoned kmart, it kind of creeps me out, because 10 years ago, there were probably tons of people in there shopping, and now it's completely empty.
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Post by theCarbonFreeze on Aug 28, 2021 20:44:27 GMT
Its the fear of the unknown I think. The idea that no one really knows what you're about to see and anything can happen. You might wind up seeing a forgotten masterpiece, a horrifying exploitation film or a weird sincerely crafted mess with a few "WTF??" moments sprinkled in. My go-to example for this is To Kill in Silence, an obviously serious attempt at an anti-abortion message peppered with random Mom-tits, a motorcycle race that goes on for 10 minutes and has nothing to do with the plot, a creepy freeze frame of a baby's face in darkness at the end and a baby sucking a plastic mannequin's tits during the opening credits. The whole time I was almost unnerved wondering what I might see next.
I think it's also a reminder of mortality, that this film that was once someone's passion project, and had media blitz and hundreds of crewmen and was reviewed by journalists could just be forgotten like it was nothing. It's a reminder that everything you do, and your own life, is going to fade into obscurity. Something you thought was gonna be a big important work celebrated by millions ultimately wound up in a landfill, or a dusty basement, or some chick's fourth harddrive amidst a sea of disreputable pornos.
It evokes the feeling of being alone. You may physically be in your house but mentally you're off experiencing no man's land. Your eyes are watching something no one has seen in years or decades, few will ever know what youve experienced or care. To me, this sometimes feels like I'm in a dark cave by myself with no one who can relate to what Im seeing.
Having to go to shady websites is scary for obvious reasons. It feels like youre on the brink of the internet sometimes, which in turn evokes the same feelings I spoke of in my previous paragraph
I think it's also a reminder of mortality, that this film that was once someone's passion project, and had media blitz and hundreds of crewmen and was reviewed by journalists could just be forgotten like it was nothing. It's a reminder that everything you do, and your own life, is going to fade into obscurity. Something you thought was gonna be a big important work celebrated by millions ultimately wound up in a landfill, or a dusty basement, or some chick's fourth harddrive amidst a sea of disreputable pornos.
It evokes the feeling of being alone. You may physically be in your house but mentally you're off experiencing no man's land. Your eyes are watching something no one has seen in years or decades, few will ever know what youve experienced or care. To me, this sometimes feels like I'm in a dark cave by myself with no one who can relate to what Im seeing.
Having to go to shady websites is scary for obvious reasons. It feels like youre on the brink of the internet sometimes, which in turn evokes the same feelings I spoke of in my previous paragraph
Beautifully said. Lost media is very much a reminder of someone who once existed. As a artist I'm thrilled by the idea that one day someone might desperately search for my comics, short films, or even my old screenplays. Finding certain lost media can feel like a reward for recognizing other people exist outside of the mainstream. It's a very enriching experience, but also scary to be reminded that things very much do come and go.
for me, it's the thought that at one point, it wasn't lost. for example, with something like the demon lady commercials (or any lost commercial/tv show), they obviously weren't lost when they were on the air. to know that someone could have seen it and acknowledged it then, and now it's nowhere to be found, is what makes it creepy for me.
the same thing applies to defunct stores. like, whenever i see an abandoned kmart, it kind of creeps me out, because 10 years ago, there were probably tons of people in there shopping, and now it's completely empty.
I think when you do have the experience of media you grew up with, or saw years ago, and then you can't find it anywhere to be very jarring.
I bring this up on the forums a lot, but I saw the DBZ JBVO episode when it aired. So when I found out in 2017 that the episode cannot be found, I was blown away. It was also very unsettling to have people speculate it wasn't real, and I felt gaslighted by my memories. Which even now with evidence, I still do feel gaslighted. The person who submitted the request came forward with their story and it doesn't totally match my memory. I remember it being a little girl who knew her brother liked DBZ and that's why she asked for it, which doesn't match what the person said. BUT, I don't totally trust my memory because I was a little girl who had a brother who liked DBZ, soooo I very well could have just impressed my own experience onto the memory.
I think it's scary to know we can also just conjure false memories, and finding proof in itself is unnerving. But of course it's impossible to remember every insignificant detail from our lives.
Post by extremewreck2000 on Sept 1, 2021 1:12:46 GMT
You know what I consider creepier? If the media has been found, but we have no idea who created it, what/who it was for, when it was made, why it exists, if there was more made, etc., etc. There are SEVERAL pieces of obscure media that have been found(or partially lost, or partially found in some instances) throughout the years that pretty much is this.
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You know what I consider creepier? If the media has been found, but we have no idea who created it, what/who it was for, when it was made, why it exists, if there was more made, etc., etc. There are SEVERAL pieces of obscure media that have been found(or partially lost, or partially found in some instances) throughout the years that pretty much is this.
I love those cases. So interesting. I keep meaning to make the Most Mysterious Song my ring tone and keep forgetting
The thing that's the spookiest about Lost Media to me is how we know it once existed in some capacity and we know people saw/heard/played it, but it got buried in the sands of time due to poor archival. As my friend put it, it "only exists in memory."
And I think the other big thing is the fact that SOMEONE in the world is likely to have said media and may be the only one who does, or nobody would have it at all besides the creator.
Post by oppositekeith on Sept 10, 2021 1:23:23 GMT
its the fact that any kind of media famous or not can be lost in some kind of fashion. not matter who is in charge or possessing it, or what it is, what material is used for it (example: nitrate film), or when it was made, no matter any of that the possibility of it being lost is always looming when making it and thats creepy to me cause anything can happen backstage as well and we wouldnt know of it until the crew tells us about it years later if the movie or album or what not if it becomes successful or gets a cult following but even that can be a struggle. yes ill allow this post to be used in your video
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I'm gonna get started on the script for the video soonish. A lot of responses so far seem to be around the idea that it's creepy the media once existed/was in public eye. Which is a valid point imo.
If anyone has any differing theories, lemme know. I personally think to some degree lost media got a creepy reputation because a lot of popular lost media youtubers made their videos about it creepy? Again I get the NSFL stuff, but it's definitely not isolated to that. Not complaining either, I like to watch Blameitonjorge's vids in particular because they make me uncomfortable.
I would be glad to share my thoughts and if you want to include them in your video, go ahead.
Regarding this topic, I find intriguing the idea of some film or any kind of media that was available everywhere, but even so, almost nobody manages to see it, due to its bad quality or lack of interest. My personal example is (sorry if I seem obsessed with it) Roy del Espacio (1983). The film was premiered in twelve cinemas in Mexico City. Twelve! It must have had a considerable promotion campaign to be playing in so many theaters. But it only lasted two days and the movie took 3 years to produce. The thought of how many people could have seen the movie in only 48 hours and in an enormous place as Mexico City, with almost 9 million people in 1983, it's overwhelming. What are the chances of finding someone in 2021 who can remember the movie or had heard anything about it? How many people who grow up in the 80's in Mexico City can attest to have seen a crappy animated movie at their favorite cinema? These questions might not be precisely creepy, but I have spent a lot of time thinking about them at night.
Really lost media like this gives you a sensation of emptiness, like "we need to get it to find some closure", even if you know the chances of that are really slim, but you keep trying or hoping someday the media will surface.
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