To me, cancelled media is lost media if enough of the product was implied to be made (like a few minutes of footage or gameplay), or if it was completely made but was never released for whatever reason (like Earthbound Beginnings before it was actually found). If it was never made at all, then it's technically not lost media.
Agreed. I think this is a case by case basis kind of thing. Like, The Day the Clown Cried was cancelled in that it was never released and after a certain point filming was supposed to be halted. Jerry Lewis didn't listen and made the film anyway, and now it exists even though it was "cancelled." There are cancelled TV shows with unaired episodes, or unaired pilots or things like that for TV. If the media physically exists, can be found and viewed...yes, that's lost media. If it was just an idea someone had that never got funded, or an early different version of a film or videogame that changed before released...I'm iffy. Chris Farley's recorded lines as Shrek, or the Earthbound 64 beta that eventually morphed into Mother 3 would count, but there are other examples which would not. I'd argue that something like the Ice Climbers in Smash Bros does NOT count as lost media. As everyone has been saying, it cannot be found, cannot be played, doesn't constitute a different version of the game...it's just some code that got cut. It's an interesting factoid for fans of Smash, but not something that warrants an article here much less a search.
Post by thatgamingasshole on Jan 2, 2017 15:07:25 GMT
I disagree, I think that cancelled media counts as lost media, but then my definition of "lost" includes "doesn't exist anymore" so I would include never existed in the first place too. If the idea got far enough along as a concept people go looking for it, like ADWSS for example, then it's lost. So yes I think cancelled stuff counts as "lost" inasmuch as it has some grounding in conceptual existence. Also let's be honest, a lot of the stuff people are looking for doesn't even exist now as it's been destroyed or thrown away, erasing all mention of it would be kinda counterproductive, you know? Like most Doctor Who episodes past a certain date are gone forever, period, so keeping SOME kind of record of them is a good idea, as any kind of physical record is now destroyed for good; by that same token I think items which existed conceptually but were never fully realized should be kept too since no physical example of them remains and I don't want to see them just cast out into the wastelands.
That's one of the reasons I got into this stuff in the first place, preserving things or finding things that were lost or considered lost, like protecting endangered species of ideas--and yes I realize how preposterous and cheesy that sounds, go with it. Anyway, stuff like Blood Circus may never show up again...no matter how badly I want to finally see it...so by logical standards it "doesn't exist". But I believe we still need to keep info up on this stuff, so some future generation (by that I mean like 2019) will be able to learn about it or even find it again. That's just my opinion, no importance.
I disagree, I think that cancelled media counts as lost media, but then my definition of "lost" includes "doesn't exist anymore" so I would include never existed in the first place too. If the idea got far enough along as a concept people go looking for it, like ADWSS for example, then it's lost. So yes I think cancelled stuff counts as "lost" inasmuch as it has some grounding in conceptual existence. Also let's be honest, a lot of the stuff people are looking for doesn't even exist now as it's been destroyed or thrown away, erasing all mention of it would be kinda counterproductive, you know? Like most Doctor Who episodes past a certain date are gone forever, period, so keeping SOME kind of record of them is a good idea, as any kind of physical record is now destroyed for good; by that same token I think items which existed conceptually but were never fully realized should be kept too since no physical example of them remains and I don't want to see them just cast out into the wastelands.
That's one of the reasons I got into this stuff in the first place, preserving things or finding things that were lost or considered lost, like protecting endangered species of ideas--and yes I realize how preposterous and cheesy that sounds, go with it. Anyway, stuff like Blood Circus may never show up again...no matter how badly I want to finally see it...so by logical standards it "doesn't exist". But I believe we still need to keep info up on this stuff, so some future generation (by that I mean like 2019) will be able to learn about it or even find it again. That's just my opinion, no importance.
Yeah, I understand this thought process. I think the key is, where do you make the cut? Obviously every idea some creative person has had is not and cannot be called Lost Media. But if something was a known, working project, with tangible progress made on it that fell apart for whatever reason...yeah that definitely counts.
The only chance that there's footage with something cancelled is if they recorded something to test something out - our first hopes is a script, then we try to find if anything was filmed. People just skip ahead one step and look for the footage.
The only chance that there's footage with something cancelled is if they recorded something to test something out - our first hopes is a script, then we try to find if anything was filmed. People just skip ahead one step and look for the footage.
It could have been cancelled at any stage in production though. Movies and TV deals fall through all the time, for various reasons. Bye Bye Beaver got up to voice recording, Day the Clown Cried was more or less totally filmed, and some have no footage made at all.
The only chance that there's footage with something cancelled is if they recorded something to test something out - our first hopes is a script, then we try to find if anything was filmed. People just skip ahead one step and look for the footage.
It could have been cancelled at any stage in production though. Movies and TV deals fall through all the time, for various reasons. Bye Bye Beaver got up to voice recording, Day the Clown Cried was more or less totally filmed, and some have no footage made at all.
Lost animation in my opinion is way harder to find when cancelled than movies. Animation all you can find of it were sketches, or photos. Movies all you can find are actual footage, if any were recorded, and the script is sometimes online already. TV shows are way different. They only air once instead of different places (Sesame street witch episode) and the only hopes of footage is when somebody actually recorded it themselves.
