Post by theCarbonFreeze on Dec 15, 2016 0:00:25 GMT
Maybe I'm weird, but for me this is one of the top holy grail films I most want to see rediscovered. The concept is so surreal, so salacious, and the information about it so scant that...well...I just have to see it. I'm surprised this film doesnt get more attention on here or elsewhere for the curiosity factor alone. I'm not sure if we'll ever see it, because unlike say, Metropolis or something else, this was not exactly a well known or well respected endeavor. This isn't some studio's 100 million investment which we can be sure there'd be copies of at least at one time. Nor is it some great director's magnum opus where they or one of their die hard fans with access would be smuggling out a copy for posterity. This is literally a low budget, underground porno which was made (semi-)independently, probably trashed by the theaters after its run, and if any of the production crew or actors had copies, they might well be ashamed of it or fearful of religious/mainstream backlash they'd get. It's a slim hope...but one I'm clinging to. If even half the effort that went into finding "A Day with Spongebob" could go into something more interesting like this, then we'd probably have it by now.
In any case. I found another advertisement for the movie. It was in a January copy of Chicago Tribune, 1975, page 30. I forget the exact issue. I dont see it on this site or anywhere else.
Lurker who joined to comment on this. I briefly remember reading about this film in the past, and seeing this post set me back off on wanting to read about it again, so I read through the info contained within the article on LMW and its referenced blog post. Most any idea I would've had for leads are already contained within the blog comments: contact any living personalities quoted as having reviewed the film in its ads, etc. However, out of curiosity, I did do a Google Books search to see if any of the full reviews quoted were available. Not surprisingly, most of them were from niche periodicals that have little to no online presence in terms of historical articles. The most promising one in terms of the publication's notoriety, Time, did get a hit, but all that confirmed from the readable cached Google snippet of the article was that it was one in which Him was mentioned only briefly and was not itself the subject. The full available quoted excerpt:
"Nor have 'religious' novelties like Not Just Another Woman, in which Porno Circuit Star Tina Russell plays a nun, or Him, about a homosexual with graphic Christ fantasies, provoked any big box office response. The thrill, it seems, is gone."
The one piece of info I did find that I haven't seen previously confirmed, although it is referenced in one of the comments on the blog post linked in the LMW article, is from the brief Google Books snippet from the 1981 book The Bible on Film: A Checklist, 1897-1980:
HIM 1974 Hand in Hand Films Color
So it appears this film might have been made (or at least distributed by?) Hand in Hand Films, which, according to research, was a company of the period that made several other gay pornos. The only reason I hesitate to treat this lone source as confirmation is that Hand in Hand seems to have a pretty decent Internet presence in terms of available info about the company, its principals, and its other film offerings. Still, figured it was worth mentioning the possible connection.
Post by theCarbonFreeze on Dec 15, 2016 8:30:45 GMT
THANK YOU blade86!! That is most appreciated. I dont have time to be more thorough at the moment, but I quick googled them and found their IMDb page. Him is not listed among their distribution credits. HOWEVER, it's very possible it could be an error. For a very, very long time there was no IMDb link for the movie itself due to two reasons: its general obscurity and the false belief that it was a hoax. Unfortunately the sole reference to this movie which kept it from falling into complete obscurity was its mention in the Medved's book, where they state that one of the films therein is fake. The Golden Turkey Awards kept this movie at least on the fringes of collective consciousness, but it also led to people not taking its existence seriously for decades which almost certainly hurt any recovery efforts which may have taken place. Now there's almost no info to go on, and the cast and crew are old or dead. For something that was already as obscure and underground as this movie, that just makes recovery exponentially harder
I'm glad I'm not the only one here who's fascinated by this film. It has more or less become my new lost-media white whale after Rapsittie and "Ready 'n' Steady" were found.
Anyway, a guy named Phil Hall, a writer for a film magazine called Film Threat, commented on this blog post back in 2014, saying that he has dug up a lot of information about Him that was not known before (including info on the director Ed D. Louie!) and that he is going to include this new information in a book about lost films. It seems he published the book this past July. Here is the Amazon page for it. Apparently, there's an entire chapter dedicated to Him. Perhaps there's something in there that could help with the search?
Post by theCarbonFreeze on Dec 16, 2016 2:52:54 GMT
Fascinating stuff. It seems like it doesnt have a whole chapter devoted to it, but Im sure there's lots of great information. Makes me sad though, because if this guy tracked down Ed Louie (BTW Im disappointed it wasnt an alias for Ed Wood) and the blog poster tracked down someone who knew the star and neither those people nor their estates presumably had copies...that leaves the production/distribution company maybe having the print or negative or else it ending its run in some random city and either going into the trash or some employee taking it once it was "worthless."
I'm glad I'm not the only one here who's fascinated by this film. It has more or less become my new lost-media white whale after Rapsittie and "Ready 'n' Steady" were found.
Anyway, a guy named Phil Hall, a writer for a film magazine called Film Threat, commented on this blog post back in 2014, saying that he has dug up a lot of information about Him that was not known before (including info on the director Ed D. Louie!) and that he is going to include this new information in a book about lost films. It seems he published the book this past July. Here is the Amazon page for it. Apparently, there's an entire chapter dedicated to Him. Perhaps there's something in there that could help with the search?
The Amazon link you gave has a preview of the book, including the table of contents. Him is covered as part of the book's fifth chapter: "In Search of Ten Unique Sound Era Films". The end of its treatment (page 129) is also part of the preview. Most of that preview page is recounting the details of / from the Captain Obscurity blog post, but there is this sentence to provide a frustrating glimmer of hope that this search, however improbable, isn't impossible:
One adult DVD distributor informed me that a rumor persists of a Him print in a private collection somewhere in New York - of course, no one knows the name of that collector.
Post by theCarbonFreeze on Dec 16, 2016 9:15:14 GMT
That could be the best or worst scenario if true. A private collector would presumably take better care of it than if it was neglected in some old theater or given away to some random Joe after, say, a west coast tour. But it depends on whether they are interested in film preservation or turning demand into their big pay day.
But I have to say, I really hate when factoids like that get thrown around. Who is this DVD distributor? A rumor from whom, since when? Where in New York? Just...ugh. The lack of follow up questions or investigation by those who discover these leads always pisses me off. Someone needs to do some sleuthing into big private collectors in New York and beg them to check their collections. And whoever has this needs to at least allow a second copy to be made for safety if they won't release it.
Post by insulting iguana on Dec 22, 2016 5:02:01 GMT
I live in the midwest, near lot of the biggest city's. There's an old porno theater for sale in the down town area...I need to call them...sorry for the double post too.